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    Not sure if many on here have been following the campaign trail but I thought this was a very good article and was wondering what people's thoughts are on here...


    Its been an interesting week watching folks analyze the outcry over the Rev. Jeremiah Wright's controversial comments, especially when they try to link them to Sen. Barack Obama.


    Editor's note: Watch Roland Martin on CNN.com Live today at 11:10 a.m. ET.

    (CNN) -- Its been an interesting week watching folks analyze the outcry over the Rev. Jeremiah Wright's controversial comments, especially when they try to link them to Sen. Barack Obama.


    Roland S. Martin says all the presidential candidates have supporters with controversial views.

    Obama's supporters say it's wrong to associate his views with those of his pastor at Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ.

    His opponents say that surely his views are linked with Wright's, including the pastor's praise of Nation of Islam Minister Louis Farrakhan.

    Conservative talker Sean Hannity -- who incidentally many have accused of associations with white supremacist Hal Turner, which he denies -- was foaming at the mouth. He called Wright a racist and an anti-Semite, and then said we all should assume Obama is also a racist and an anti-Semite.

    Talk about a stretch.

    Frankly, it's just not plausible to suggest that you always share the same feelings or views as someone you know.

    In remarks to a Pittsburgh newspaper, Sen. Hillary Clinton responded to a question about the Wright controversy by saying: "You don't choose your family, but you choose what church you want to attend."

    True. Very true. But there's also some reality that politicians pick and choose who they want to be associated with.

    Clinton pressed Obama during a debate this year to repudiate and denounce Farrakhan's unsolicited praise of him at an event the Nation of Islam leader organized for his group in Chicago.

    The moderator, NBC's Tim Russert, brought up comments made by Farrakhan 24 years ago in his question to Obama.

    Fine, so what do we make of then-President Bill Clinton publicly endorsing the 1995 Million Man March? Who called for that march? Louis Farrakhan. Who was the lead organizer? Louis Farrakhan. Who was the keynote speaker? Louis Farrakhan.

    After he was out of the White House, President Clinton also endorsed the Million Man March. Who called for that march? Louis Farrakhan. Who was the lead organizer? Louis Farrakhan. Who was the keynote speaker? Louis Farrakhan.

    Did Sen. Clinton privately or publicly rebuke her husband for supporting a man whom she has determined to be hateful and divisive?

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    Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell, who is national co-chair of Sen. Clinton's presidential campaign, once stood on stage with Farrakhan in 1997 -- at an event the Times said was "called to promote racial reconciliation after several recent high-profile crimes" -- and praised him for his commitment to ending violence in the black community. Rendell was the mayor of Philadelphia at the time.

    According to the April 15, 1997, story in The New York Times, Farrakhan praised Rendell before 3,000 people at the anti-violence rally for ''his courage and strength to rise above emotion and differences that might be between us or our communities.''

    According to the Times, Rendell, who is Jewish, commended the Nation of Islam for its emphasis on family values and self-sufficiency.

    Must Clinton repudiate and denounce Rendell's past comments and association with Farrakhan?

    Former Republican Rep. Jack Kemp is a huge supporter of Sen. John McCain, and he also has a Farrakhan story.

    In 1996, when Kemp was the vice presidential running mate of Kansas Sen. Bob Dole, he told reporters that he wanted to meet with Farrakhan and praised his organization's focus on economic empowerment, family values and its pull-yourselves-up-by-the-bootstrap message -- right in line with the GOP talking points. Kemp said he wanted to speak at the Million Man March.

    Boy, was he torn apart by Jewish critics, and many in his own party.

    Kemp summarily criticized Farrakhan's comments about Jews and whites, but he didn't take his words back. By the way, Hannity pressed every African-American supporter about Farrakhan, but he never got in Kemp's face about his comments. I wonder why?

    Must McCain repudiate and denounce Kemp's past comments and association with Farrakhan?

    When it comes to homosexuality, no Clinton or Obama supporter should think of criticizing the other campaign's black ministerial supporters because that means most of their own would have to be disassociated from their campaigns.

    On CNN's "The Situation Room," Paul Begala mentioned "hateful" things said about gays by the Rev. James Meeks, founder and senior pastor of Salem Baptist Church of Chicago, and an Obama supporter. Meeks has made no bones about his firm opposition to homosexuality (and abortion), which is one of the reasons he's very close to many of the nation's white conservative pastors. (I know him well; I'm a member of Salem).

    And then there was the hoopla over gospel singer Donnie McClurkin when the Obama campaign recruited him to take part in a gospel concert tour around South Carolina. McClurkin has preached that homosexuals can be converted to heterosexuals. That set off a firestorm.

    But Clinton also has her own issues with anti-gay pastoral supporters.

    The Rev. Harold Mayberry, pastor of the First African Methodist Church in Oakland, has voiced for years his opposition to homosexuality. In fact, some have said he has compared homosexuality to thievery.

    When Mayberry came out in support of Clinton, her campaign touted his endorsement, sans any mention of his anti-gay rants.

    She has also received a $1,000 contribution from Bishop Eddie L. Long of the mega-church New Birth Missionary Baptist Church in Lithonia, Georgia, who previously led an anti-gay marriage march in Atlanta.

    Of course, when it comes to McCain, it wouldn't be a story if his ministerial supporters are anti-gay. It would be news if any of them actually supported homosexuality.

    The bottom line: Everyone has an association that is open for scrutiny. Our real focus should be on the candidates and their views on the issues, because one of them will stand before the nation and take the oath of office and swear to uphold and protect the Constitution of the United States.

    Roland S. Martin is a nationally award-winning journalist and CNN contributor. Martin is studying to receive his master's degree in Christian communications at Louisiana Baptist University. You can read more of his columns at http://www.rolandsmartin.com/.

    Story Highlights
    Martin: It's not plausible that Obama, or anyone, shares every view with associates

    Many politicans, conservative and liberal, have ties to controversial figures

    Martin: Both sides have supporters who have praised Nation of Islam's Farrakhan

    Our real focus should be on the candidates and their views on the issues
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    I agree with the subject matter his pastor was speaking of. I mean honestly, the economic playing field has always been unequal amongst African-Americans, whether it be per capita income, percentage seeking college-level education, inequality in the judicial system biased against minorities (Texas, Alabama, etc), etc...I could go on for days..
    And obviously where poverty exists, crime rates increase. So it is no suprise that per capita crime is more prevalant amongst minorities..
    As far as the Nation of Islam tidbit, the difference between Farrakhan and Hal Turner would obviously be the reverse/reactionary racism vs. continued white nationalism/supremacy...

    I mean honestly, I study a lot of history. And from what I know, reactionary racism/self-suffience/interdependance has partial justification. It has never really been the other way around as far as Whites being in a position of power. Rare is it the case when Whites are supressed by Blacks. So, Elijah Muhammad ain't great, but his intentions were somewhat justified.

    At the end of the day, one must differentiate between what is deemed racist. For example, Black power is about uplifting the collective black population towards independance, morality, self-suffience, etc...whereas White power is about keeping non-Whites from any position of power, keeping the socio-economic stratification in place, and adhering to social darwinist psychology...

    Yeah, I don't like any of the candidates...lol
    Last edited by p.e.a.c.e.; 03-26-2008, 06:05 PM.

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    • #3
      I'm for Obama, but wow, I'm surprised I got a reply to this, lol.

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      • #4
        Who ever legalizes marijuana gets my vote. Thats my view on politics.

        On another note, when it comes to blacks being "suppressed" by whites.
        BS. All the projects and low income housing thousands of minorities call home are funded by or were apporved by white politicians.
        Minorities, ESPECIALLY Ricans get SO much aid in all sorts of aspects, from tons of college funding to finicial help. Even if you're poor you get things handed to you for free and people take it for granted and ruin the neighborhoods with garbage, gangs and voilence.
        Yet my white mom, working 2 jobs to keep me fed and under a roof qualified for no such aid, no finicial help and I got no food stamps of tution assitance and we were in worse shape than most minority famalies finicially.
        And she and I were born here, blood Americans. Sound ok to you? Id love to see a politician bring that up. Politicians aren't realists, they say what people want to hear, get in office and then MOST never do them or things get caught up in the "pipeline". Meh.
        Last edited by ZeroTraction; 03-26-2008, 07:31 PM.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by ZeroTraction View Post
          Who ever legalizes marijuana gets my vote. Thats my view on politics.
          Agreed. I could name 2 reasons why it is illegal. One being the White women smoking up with Mexicans during the beginning of World War 2 (all the servicemen were overseas). That pissed off the White politicians and then the whole reefer madness propaganda began.
          The other being the mass production of the raw form hemp. Whether it be the oil used in mechanical engineering, food, etc....or the competitive nature of it within the textile market as a produced good (hemp material)...

          Personally, I smoke from time to time. I see nothing wrong with it. Addiction? That is a public affairs issue, not a federal issue.

          On another note, when it comes to blacks being "suppressed" by whites.
          BS. All the projects and low income housing thousands of minorities call home are funded by or were apporved by white politicians.
          Minorities, ESPECIALLY Ricans get SO much aid in all sorts of aspects, from tons of college funding to finicial help. Even if you're poor you get things handed to you for free and people take it for granted and ruin the neighborhoods with garbage, gangs and voilence.
          Well, it is obvious that White politicians funded public housing. That is because back then, integration within the neighboorhoods was taboo. Check out what happened at first in Shaker Heights, Ohio in the 50s. Wherever Blacks moved, Whites moved away from. So public housing is definitely an answer to "White flight" as they call it. Politicians definitely have a hand in the gentrification process as well. They are *not always but sometimes* the ones who fund, maintain, and capitalize on these expenditures. As far as getting hand outs, yeah, I can agree with you that it is out of hand. This is why I'm not voting for any of the politicians. The welfare state is huge. Then again dude, I don't think hand outs are the reason for ruined neighboorhoods. Poverty brings crime. Plain and simple. Especially if the unemployment rate in the region is high.
          Yet my white mom, working 2 jobs to keep me fed and under a roof qualified for no such aid, no finicial help and I got no food stamps of tution assitance and we were in worse shape than most minority famalies finicially.
          And she and I were born here, blood Americans. Sound ok to you? Id love to see a politician bring that up. Politicians aren't realists, they say what people want to hear, get in office and then MOST never do them or things get caught up in the "pipeline". Meh.
          Agreed. It's mainly because your mother is working 2 jobs that she doesn't qualify for such. Shame, right? When I was 18 I applied for welfare. But my income was too high. Politicians never implement any ideals. I have yet to hear exact policy from Obama, Clinton, or Huckabee. McCain as scary as it is, has actually come forward with his exact intentions. Although I disagree with him on Iraq, Iran, etc...I respect him actually speaking about policy.

          Obama, Hillary = increase the size of the welfare state, universal health care possibly (health care for those who can't afford or don't qualify), stay the course in Iraq (we ain't leaving anytime soon), push for Iran, spend spend spend..

          Socialism with a shot of fascism and maybe a 5th of Remy Martin on the side.....^^

          If you need to go to college, there are some grants you can qualify for with simple essay skills, dude. Never too late...I'm on my 2nd to last semester..I can help you with that.
          Last edited by p.e.a.c.e.; 03-26-2008, 09:24 PM.

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          • #6
            john mccain ftw!!!!!!!!!11 replublican!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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              • #8
                ************ poli-tricks... does ne one kno why u have the weirdest ppl run for office?.. ppl like joe lieberman aqnd all those other candidates that dont stand a chance.. its all for trhe money..thats it
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                • #9
                  vote or die!!!!!!
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by p.e.a.c.e. View Post
                    Obama, Hillary = increase the size of the welfare state, universal health care possibly (health care for those who can't afford or don't qualify), stay the course in Iraq (we ain't leaving anytime soon), push for Iran, spend spend spend..
                    That last one is Mccain. Hillary/Obama are saying the exact opposite of "stay the course."

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Jimmy169 View Post
                      That last one is Mccain. Hillary/Obama are saying the exact opposite of "stay the course."
                      I'll make a prediction. We'll stay in Iraq.

                      Oh, and Hillary voted in favor of an invasion of Iran. Obama just didn't show up to vote nay or yay.



                      Hillary wants "universal health care" in her standards. To me, universal health care would emulate what we see in Cuba or Canada with publically accessible health care for all. Not an expanded Medicare/Medicaid subsidy. That just creates a rift between the upper class because the middle class is stuck with the taxes that pay for that health care. Middle class is thus poorer, with the end result being a transitional period creating a larger lower class.

                      Either way, Hillary is saying 180 billion a year for her health care plan....Obama is mentioning entering Pakistan and not "turning our backs on Iraq"...

                      we ain't leaving Iraq anytime soon.

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                      • #12
                        Universal healthcare all day.
                        I don't know what I want to do for a living so I haven't finished college. I did 3 classes =/. Mechnical Engineeering.
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                        • #13
                          Most students don't know. I don't know what I want to do. Probably stuck in IT...but yeah...I was thinking about working abroad in another country. Or maybe social work..
                          You should def take some courses. My education has come from 3 colleges. Community college was cheap for me. $400 a course.

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